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I agree 100% with Henrik.

danydzone — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:02:22 -0400

I agree 100% with Henrik. This is the same problem we go through in our organization.

Its hard to sell it to the managment as they primarily see the support offered and up-to-date documentation to get a given programmer to be a "productive" Eclipse RCP programmer. The new book release must coincide with the major version release.

Daniel

Great thanks :D Looking

hugo1677 — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:53:17 -0400

Great thanks :D

Looking forward to it :D

You have been heard

effco — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:08:45 -0400

You have been heard Henrik:

http://code9.com/2008/07/14/announcing-rcp-book-2nd-edition/

I certainly agree with

ayusman — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:14:31 -0400

I certainly agree with Hernik.

Our project is in RCP 3.3 and the book is in version 3.1. The differences are evident and causes trouble while trying to relate between the examples in the book and when you actually try to use them.

An revised edition of the book certainly will be appreciated by the Eclipse community. Never the less the RCP platform looks very promising and the book by the aouthors is definitely one of the best books I have seen.

Regards,

Ayusman

Hey, good topic ! this is

Nikos — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:46:44 -0500

Hey, good topic !

this is not why the EEP is about to born ?

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eep/

mknutty wrote:I just don't

hugo1677 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:53:33 -0500

mknutty wrote:

I just don't think the is much money in books so where is the motivation. And when, from an RCP developer's standpoint, not much, if anything has changed, why write a new book?

It seems to me that there are less books in general.

I do understand the feedback, because a lot of us have been Eclipse RCP programmers for years, that also means that we have gathered a lot of knowledged that we just take for granted. But I see the problems when educating new guys/girls coming into the projects or when trying to spread the word within the organisation that I'm in.

Actully I don't think it would take a lot of money to update a book if you do it as part of the release Eclipse release cycle (Ganymede). I also think that a lot would buy the book, - so you probably get you money back!

My point is: It's not from a RCP developer's point of view. If the eclipse organisation want to spread the good word, - then it must be able to have updated and correct material. The reason: To lift a given programmer to be an Eclipse RCP programmer.

I also think that help.eclipse.org is a from my point of view a very valued site, but this is not the place to lift and educate a programer to be an Eclipse RCP programer.

I just don't think the is

mknutty — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:00:54 -0500

I just don't think the is much money in books so where is the motivation. And when, from an RCP developer's standpoint, not much, if anything has changed, why write a new book?

It seems to me that there are less books in general.

True. But from what I can

mknutty — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:57:57 -0500

True. But from what I can tell, having used the books and 3.2/3.3, it is just a different version number. From an RCP perspective, the books are still good. That was my point. And Since books can be bought for a discount,and if you are in a group you can share .... .

Besides the upcoming

rainwebs — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:49:00 -0500

Besides the upcoming competition with AIR, Netbeans, etc. where I can't recognize a "market leader" at the moment, I wonder if the missing updates of the book are a sign for a lesser usage of RCP in general.

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mknutty wrote:i've been

rick — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:47:00 -0500

mknutty wrote:

i've been using the rcp and the swt book to develop RCP and RAP apps. Not sure what the problem is.

If I read correctly, Henrik's issue is that it's hard to bring average developers up to speed when the learning material (books, tutorials, etc.) falls behind the actual software itself. For me, this is a point that rings true. Some platforms and projects are advancing at a breakneck pace, and nobody wants to slow down progress. Still, I don't envy the authors and publishers who have to struggle to decide whether they can hope for sufficient profit to justify updating materials that become obsolete so quickly. It's a conundrum.

Also, I bet most of us would stop and think for a minute before handing the cashier $50 of our hard-earned money to buy a book that covers a version that is already two generations out of date. Even if the motivated learner can still work though issues and changes, the fact is that this reality makes learning harder and also makes it feel like a risk.

For my part, I have to agree that Henrik's point makes good sense.

So, what's the problem. The

drmr — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:33:35 -0500

So, what's the problem. The McAffer's book is a little outdated, but the concepts listed there are still very true and none of the examples has stopped working, so I don't think it is a problem. It just might need a developer who will extend his knowledge beyond the book and will serve as a "book" for the rest of the team. But this is the natural order of the things anyway.

I don't know if you have

hugo1677 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:54:59 -0500

I don't know if you have misunderstood me.

I'm talking of the material to lift a given programmer to where you are now from the level where he/she doesn't anything about Eclipse RCP!!

Henrik

Download a copy of Lotus

dstrawsb — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:22:00 -0500

Download a copy of Lotus Notes, it's a Eclipse RCP Application, and a fine one at that.

Don

i've been using the rcp and

mknutty — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:18:41 -0500

i've been using the rcp and the swt book to develop RCP and RAP apps. Not sure what the problem is.